Episode 81 | October 1, 2024
In this next episode of our series with The Literacy Cooperative, Denisha Jones of Defending the Early Years joins us to talk about the power of play in the lives of young children (and everyone else).
The school day has become completely structured and full of academics, but how young is too young? Are our schools leaving opportunities for creative growth? Our kids are coming home overwhelmed and exhausted, let's talk about the benefits of free play and how to bring learning back to basics.
INTRO
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SHOW NOTES
Denisha Jones is the Executive Director of Defending the Early Years and an adjunct professor at Sarah Lawrence College and Howard University. Her research interests include organizing activist research projects that examine grassroots movements to achieve racial justice in education, documenting the value of play as a tool for liberation with an emphasis on global approaches to play, and collaborating with parents and educators to foster positive racial, ethnic, and cultural identity development in the early years. Her first co-edited book, Black Lives Matter at School: An Uprising for Educational Justice, was published in December 2020 by Haymarket Books. She joins us today to remind us and share with us the value of having play in our lives and more importantly the lives of our young children.
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Key Takeaways
- Play is an activity freely chosen by the child and is intrinsically motivated. Can be characterized by –
- Freedom of Choice: Having the autonomy to engage in play without the direction of adults. This allows children to explore their own interests and use creativity.
- Pleasure-Seeking: Play is typically enjoyable for children, even when faced with challenges. The enjoyment derived from play is crucial for their emotional well-being.
- Process Over Outcome: The focus of play is on the experience rather than the end result. This process-oriented approach fosters exploration and experimentation.
“It’s more about the process than about the outcome.”
[00:03:45] Productive educational play exploration
“A lot of us think, oh, they’re not learning during play, but they are.”
[00:08:34] The value of play
- Benefits of Play
- Cognitive development: Allows children to experiment with materials, understand cause and effect, and develop problem-solving skills. For instance, when children drop objects repeatedly, they are learning about gravity and motion.
- Social Skills: Children learn to navigate social interactions, develop empathy, and practice teamwork. These skills are crucial for their emotional and social development.
- Physical Development: Helps children develop their motor skills and coordination. A lack of play can lead to physical issues, such as difficulties in sitting properly at a desk or holding a pencil.
[00:12:55] Importance of unstructured play
“The decline in children’s free time, self-directed time, play time away from adults is causing some mental health issues in young children.”
- Free play: Occurs when children have ample time and space to engage in activities of their choice. Good for creativity and self-directed learning.
- Structured play: The activities are organized by adults but can be beneficial when children are given the freedom to choose how to engage with the materials provided.
“Kids who come from highly structured backgrounds, they do struggle when they get to college and other places, and they have to fill the time themselves.”
[00:17:04] Solo play versus group play
“Sometimes children really need a quiet space to just be.”
[00:22:19] Screen time
While there is some value in digital play, excessive screen time can lead to addiction and hinder physical and cognitive development. Striking a balance between digital and physical play is essential for healthy growth.
“There are a lot of values to young children playing yoga; it is a form of play and it is a valuable form of play.”
[00:25:34] Screen time and brain development
Technology can facilitate connections with family and friends, especially in situations where physical interaction is limited, such as during the pandemic. Video chatting with relatives can help maintain relationships and provide emotional support.
Addiction: Despite these benefits, the episode emphasizes the significant risks associated with excessive screen time. One major concern is the potential for addiction. The design of many digital platforms, including social media and gaming apps, often employs psychological tactics to keep users engaged, similar to the strategies used in casinos. This can lead to children spending hours on screens without realizing it, disrupting their daily routines and responsibilities.
Physical Health: Screen time can negatively impact physical and cognitive development. For instance, when children engage with screens instead of manipulating physical objects, they miss out on crucial sensory experiences that stimulate brain development. The act of holding and turning a three-dimensional object engages different neural pathways than simply pressing buttons on a screen. This lack of physical interaction can hinder fine motor skills, coordination, and overall physical health.
“Should we be using what we know about psychology to get young children addicted to these things, right?”
[00:35:01] Lack of play effects
- Impaired Executive Functioning: Children who do not engage in play may struggle with self-regulation and decision-making skills.
- Emotional Challenges: Without opportunities for free play, children may experience increased anxiety and difficulty managing their emotions.
- Reduced Creativity: Play is a vital avenue for children to explore their identities and interests. A lack of play can stifle their creativity and ability to think outside the box.
[00:36:40] The Value of Homework
Many educators assign excessive homework, which can detract from valuable playtime. We advocate for limiting homework to ensure children have time to engage in free play, which is essential for their overall development.
Structured Learning: While some academic learning is necessary, it should not overshadow the importance of play. We emphasize that play can enhance learning and engagement in the classroom.
“They’re not exploring the possibilities of their mind, who they are, what they like, what they want, what they don’t want.”
[00:39:45] Afternoon restraint collapse in children
- Many children come home from school completely exhausted, having spent the day managing their behavior and learning in a structured environment.
- Excessive homework often leads to overwhelming stress and fatigue
- When children, who have kept it together all day, fall apart at the slightest request upon returning home, this can manifest as emotional outbursts or simply collapsing from exhaustion, indicating that the structure of their day has been too demanding – this phenomenon referred is to as “afternoon restraint collapse”
“We think more work means you’re learning more, but it actually means you’re learning less because you’re not really engaged with all this extra work.”
[00:50:18] Importance of play in life
“We have to reclaim the joy of play from our own lives as adults.”
[00:52:25] Children’s liberation through play
“I’m really excited about writing a book about children’s liberation through play, right, in the early years.”
Where to Find Denisha
- Email – denisha@dey.org
- LinkedIn – Denisha Jones
- Instagram – @DrJonesEsquire
Where to Find Defending The Early Years
- Website – DEY.Org
- LinkedIn – Defending the Early Years
- Instagram – DefendingTheEarlyYears
- Facebook – Defending the Early Years
Credits and Thanks
- Many thanks to our friends and families (our “villagers”) for listening, and for your continued support.
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